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[00:00:39] I had warned quite the vast array of people to be mindful of certain people who then later I teamed the consensus They designated themselves as leaders of a quote army I had somebody stop by and I'm going to paraphrase what they said but they basically said you know you bought a minor so you're one of us

[00:01:06] You know you're part of the army and I said no I'm not part of the army I'm not because I don't just charge to go to war I take it smart and I said that what's being stated in other circuits was not going to work I said they're going to cause more problems than they think I said it's a bad idea off jump I got attacked countless times

[00:01:35] Fast forward now we're getting close to the one year anniversary of the start of this chaos So I thought it was important for me to take a victory lap Because if you paid attention you would understand that everything I said was the truth and came to be the truth And those people who didn't listen now have to acknowledge it It turns out there's really only one of these vigilantes essentially left pushing the narrative And some separation has occurred within their ranks

[00:02:04] This of course when you have an army that is dysfunctional is apt Look it up to happen You will have situations where these people don't seem to be able to keep the troops on the same page Because they don't agree Because eventually they start to see all that rhymes That there's some problem with the leadership of said ranks So then now Allegedly There's a new leader And this leader is the definition of incompetent

[00:02:35] Allegedly I don't know if this is true This is what I was told from other people that stopped by And thank you for stopping by I was told that this person who deems themselves now the current leader Used to be like a waitress or something Dumped more money than they could afford to lose Last year They allied with the consensus And they were just a groupie She was just a groupie A groupie They were just a groupie So

[00:03:04] Now This person This is allegedly So I'm told Has been embraced by the community What's called the community Which isn't really the community It's really a Vigilante group I want to call them a vigilante group And I had done coverage And I talked about how there appeared to be a fork of some kind This was back in the whole coup Allegations And people stopped by saying Well, I'll, you know I'll listen in But I'm not really sure what's going on And I'm just talking about what I'm seeing

[00:03:34] I'm just That's the beauty of my coverage When you listen to other people And they make wild-eyed ass claims And they can't back any of it up Mine is based on what you see Like I go off what I see Which means you can see it Which means it's the truth Now whether you Dislike what I'm saying Is not on table It is the truth Because it's what you can see It's not misrepresented It's not misunderstood It's not misstated As one of the marks once claimed It is what I see

[00:04:02] I am then providing my opinion Which I'm going to do I encourage those people then To go and make their own opinion But I'm going to share my opinion About what it means Then I sit back I get validated That what I'm saying is the truth And all I expect is people to come back And give my credit Which to credit Some have done Some came back And said I listened to the show You call it to a T You're spot on what you're doing That I appreciate those people Right? It's

[00:04:32] Everybody gets it wrong Okay? A broken clock's right twice A broken clock's wrong twice I get it Okay? I'm not criticizing people That make a mistake I just want you to come back And give my credit Because if you've listened For a studious time You understand that the things I've been saying Are the truth And you recognize That you got misled Duked By people Who didn't know What the fuck they were doing That's what we That's what all this is That's all that this is

[00:05:01] And I'm fascinated Truly By the insanity That's going around Let me summarize now Let me get to my topic I had to take the victory lap It's important It's the only way you learned Let me summarize Where we're at Okay? First What did I say? I said that Of course there was a fork People denied it Here we are You've got now Those dumb and dumbers That have acknowledged Yes, there was a fork Okay? I said there was a different There's two ledgers But one chain

[00:05:30] I had marks Attack me And say that wasn't true You just heard Dumb and dumberjudge Yes, there's two ledgers Everything I'm saying is true They try to deny it They can't Because the data is out there Okay? So I'm simply covering What I see If somebody can refute What I'm seeing Then provide counter They can't They have to acknowledge it That's where we're at Okay? So you have one chain You have two different ledgers Of the chain You have two different sets Of node The BDAC scan

[00:05:59] The BDAC scan Is I can confirm One It's basically a standalone No There's like Multiple different things Underneath it But it's just one Essentially one node It's heavily centralized This is fact That's true The other side Has a bunch of different nodes That are all Talking within their own ledger But they're basically Following What Dumb and Dumber Have established In their own minds As quote canonical And they're only stating that Because they said so Now they made the claim

[00:06:29] That the BDAG scan side Is the attacker That is not true The BDAC scan side Preceded the other side Thus it cannot be the attacker When they say attacker What do they mean? They're talking about Essentially not exactly But essentially A 51% attack The reason it cannot be A 51% attack Or anything close to it Is that that implies That you're all sharing On the same ledger And that you've taken over With respect to all Of the blocks And the transactions And all of the different things That are being validated

[00:06:59] Through the proof of whatever That did not happen here They just simply branched Off the ledger And they're doing their own thing And they're declaring That they're canonical Simply because there's consensus There's consensus Within their ledger Sure, but there's no consensus With the other side Because there's no consensus With the other side That's the state of it The state of it Is you have two different Sets of consensus You can have singular consensus One node that simply is declaring And calling the shots

[00:07:27] Is it the right thing to do? It's not for me to say However, there is a consensus Within of itself You can scan You can read You can act Of course the tools are down But the fact that it functions Creates some form of a consensus Within itself We just don't agree That that's the way it should be And I don't disagree That that's a problem I'm stating that It's improper To declare it as an attack When that's the side That came first It came first That's what was built first

[00:07:55] And I would remind people That Dumb and Dumber Were all on board Promoting and supporting that side Until they were no longer paid That's what happened Okay? Now when you create this other side Which they're entitled to do And they're entitled To create what they want Allegedly They're trying to convince Some of the exchanges To adopt their nodes As the quote canonical I saw mentions That they're trying to target WeBot I think it's a good idea Because WeBot is US compliant And da da da da And it is surprising

[00:08:25] That WeBot would not Support that Perhaps WeBot does not like The idea that there's Two different ledgers In the first place Maybe WeBot just thinks It's a little bit sketchy And a little bit problematic That there's two ledgers If I'm WeBot I would have problems With the idea That you don't have consensus Within the one chain ID If I'm WeBot I would say This is the problem You still have one chain There should be one ledger

[00:08:55] The consensus Should be within the chain If I'm right If I'm right And I don't know Because I'm not in WeBot But if I'm right That means dumb and dumber Caused the problem In the first place By not having consensus With the other side I know what they would say You didn't wanna let go I get it Okay That's why I said dumb and dumber Should've just created Their own fucking chain Since it's a fork Any damn way They should've just created Their own chain With a different ID Call it something else Don't hook into his marketing Don't hook into his

[00:09:24] Advantage stuff That he built That got you The holders That's why you did it You did it because It already gave you The awareness It already gave you The people Just like pulse chain It gave you a head start So you didn't have to Start from scratch And you allegedly Didn't have the money To do it from ground level I get it I get why you did it I still say it's stupid And you should've created Your own separate chain Full stop And then market it However you did You didn't do that And I think As a theory

[00:09:54] And I don't know for sure That that's might be the reason Webot is pushing back Because they see There's a chain It was already established That one is the original one You guys are the one Who branched off But you still don't have Consensus within the one chain ID And if I'm the exchange I would have a problem with that Because they can't know Exactly what's going on They can't know that you guys Are not the attackers They can't know that this is Not malicious There's all sorts of stuff They can't know That's my theory Could be that webot

[00:10:23] Eventually relents And decides to jump on board with it If they did I think that would be a good thing For that side So I'm telling you My message to you Is to watch What the exchanges do Same thing I said Like two months ago Everything centers around The central exchanges And what they choose to do But more importantly I still question Why the fuck Neither side Is getting on Uniswap I struggle with that Because it should be The easiest thing to do To get on Uniswap At minimum Get on Change Now

[00:10:53] Get on something That's decentralized Do that now Because you're going to Create liquidity By doing that And you're going to Create awareness By doing that And you're going to Clean up some of this Contention for people That just want to get out of it But I question Like the community side Should have long since Gotten on at least Change Now by now And I question Why that hasn't happened I have a theory And it's only a theory Is it possible That even the decentralized Is not compatible Because of this contention With the different ledgers

[00:11:23] And a single chain ID I don't know I'm just theorizing I'm spitballing Because I can't think of Any other reason Why the community side Wouldn't readily get on At least one decentralized Exchange by now It's EVM It's ERC You should be able to Get on Uniswap At bare minimum You damn sure Should be able to get on Change Now Change Now takes almost anything You absolutely can't do it I don't know what's going on there I struggle Let's watch the exchanges Decentralized Centralized

[00:11:52] That's where you're going to understand What's really going on And what will or can happen With all of this chaos Is going to be the exchanges Response to what's going on It's not going to be what they say In some AMA Where they're throwing F-bombs Up down the end Like one of these dumb and dumbers It's not going to be the other side Where they're dead on silent But they do a buy back And then they take away the buy back And do a refund And then they give you the buy back And don't explain exactly what's going on And then they throw a different thing It's not going to be what they tell you

[00:12:21] That's not going to be any sort of measure of success The measure of any sort of movement Is going to be around exchanges Central Decentralized The one that gets that done That's going to be the one that moves on I did say though Again like a month and a half ago What you have is two different ledgers Which is very similar to what happened With Ethereum And Ethereum Classic And the DAO That was And the idea that you essentially have two bags If you were in at a certain point

[00:12:51] And those that validated your numbers You have two bags And I said I would just sit and do nothing Don't interact with the sites Even the community side So-called community They even put a banner that said Yeah, don't interact with the sinking thing right now We're trying to rebuild it And that's been like a couple weeks now Okay They're validating what is said to be the truth Which is don't touch the stuff for now Just wait They're like it's interesting They're all implicitly saying what I've been saying The BDAG scan staking site It was briefly up And then people said it's up It's not up Now

[00:13:20] Cloudflare is in front of it So maybe they were premature And bringing it back up And I did say a post on CoinMarketCap Isn't it ironic That you start having issues with the community side When the BDAX scan site has issues Isn't that kind of funny? Well it's because under the hood There's still shared infrastructure So I'm saying And I will say to anybody listening Just stop interacting with the sites for now I know you want to try to get stuff out I know you want to get to the wallet I'm recommending to you Don't interact with either site right now

[00:13:50] Because it's a chaotic shit show At the moment I recommend just wait Just sit and wait Think about it What do you have to lose By taking my recommendation? You really have nothing to lose If you adopt the community side You're losing your pre-sale money anyway If you adopt the BDAX scan side The shit's down You can't do anything anyway So what hurts you To just sit and wait? Think it through Right? Now The other two updates I got And then we'll wrap up First I gave a coverage about the WelshDAG

[00:14:19] Which is WelshDAG.trade Apparently WelshDAG decided to shut down And they gave some stated reasons On their site That I thought was kind of fascinating I don't know any information If you're in the so-called community side And you'd like to share that Please do CryptoTalk.fm Hit the contact form Or comments below But it says

[00:14:38] They had a banner And it says Quote WelshDAG is shut down WelshDAG has decided to close its servers Based on the latest research And understanding of the current state of the network Thank you for joining WelshDAG Please see telegram for alternative RPCs Stop So What does this mean? Again

[00:15:07] I legitimately would like to hear from people in the community side If you have some insight Because they didn't share anything else on that It was sudden It was out of nowhere Some didn't know that it happened But Quote Based on the latest research and understanding of the current state of the network Now mind you WelshDAG was pretty much exclusively on the community The so-called community side From what I saw WelshDAG had nothing to do with the BDAG scan side They did have some viewers that let you see it But for the most part They had an RPC set up on the community side

[00:15:37] They had allegedly a mining thing on the community side And then They put up a banner Where they were asking people to pay 10 bucks a month For a quote membership So that you could get access to mine into their pool And I put out a post saying Have you seen anybody else in the decentralized area Where they were charging a monthly fee For the privilege of being able to mine on the pool? And I said that We're talking about worthless coins Because they're not tradable right now

[00:16:05] Normally what happens with these types of pools And these types of trades Is that They take the fees out of what's mine But that assumes that you can actually sell them on the open market That's how the whole thing works So if you're not This is why I keep emphasizing If you don't solve the exchanges None of this shit works And it's possible I don't know I don't know these Welsh tag people Here's the deal Let's do this Gauntlet down Welsh tag folks Man, female, whatever Mr. Mrs. Whatever Welsh tag

[00:16:34] If you'd like to chat Cryptotalk.fm Hit the contact form I'd love to chat with you Or have you on the show If you'd like to emphasize Or elaborate a little bit more On what concerns you had on the network What network are we referring to? I'm assuming it's the one chain ID But is it the community ledger? Is it the BDAX scan ledger? Is it the both ledgers? Is it the lack of liquidity? Is it the lack of trading? What was the real reason that you shut shop And did so so suddenly? What was the real reason? Am I right in my theory

[00:17:04] That the reason you were asking membership Is because you were essentially losing money Paying out of pocket For a server infrastructure With worthless coins And is that the reason that you were doing that? And you thought you had something reasonable Let's chat it out If you've got those balls And you want the smoke And of course if you're female You don't have balls But if you want the smoke And you want to be more transparent About what was going on This is my invitation I don't charge for Michelle Cryptotalk.fm It's the contact form So Welsh tag's gone

[00:17:33] I don't know what this whole specifics And that's why I'm asking Because I'd like to have the Both sides Community I'd like everybody to understand That's what all of these motherfuckers don't do They don't give the full Here's exactly what's going on Here's exactly what we see Here's exactly our beef with it Here's why we're doing what we're doing Here's what it would take to fix it And get us back on track They don't do that They just put these ambiguous ass statements And it's fucking nonsense Speaking of Ambiguous ass statements There's a site

[00:18:03] BDAG.life I believe Yeah BDAG.life I believe it is BDAG.life I like the site It's actually very neutral It seems like it's very fair It doesn't seem like it's biased It doesn't seem like it's run by marks I actually I actually Am recommending that you check it out For what it does It seems like it's neutral coverage And it seems like it's in alignment With what I've been saying That you're dealing with two different Ledgers And they're just sharing the information on both There was a different person Renee Shadlik

[00:18:32] I believe is the pronunciation I apologize if I got it wrong But there was a different person Who put up What is essentially an NFT And with the NFT And I think it was 10 bucks or something It might have even been higher But it's an NFT And it's a book That apparently they wrote Called Quote 1404 Two Histories A documentary novel About BlockDAG Trust And the people Between the chains And it's got this AI image For Blockdag And a photo

[00:19:01] That looks like a cross Between one of the marks And Now he does put a caveat saying Well this is not Designed to depict Any real living person Of course not Because he blended multiple people Good That's fine But he's talking about Words that are here Lies Greed Manipulation Broken promises Hype And all these terms 4 to 42 million Partnerships Minors Mainnet Where's the money All these Target words

[00:19:31] And you know It's designed to It's designed to Trip things Now the interesting thing is If you look at the cover You can You're automatically Assuming He's talking about Start to finish But the funny thing is That the The crux of his book Is not even about It's It's He does a very And I could tell He used AI for a lot of this stuff So in order to counter his AI I used AI to help In terms of parsing past the garbage

[00:20:00] It's 300 pages Plus 300 pages And I would argue The vast majority of it is garbage Because he's just kind of going through As if he's doing You know like the old days In the newspaper Where it's like some sort of Investigative journalist And they put all these words of You know Vietnam The Ground Zero For the That kind of nonsense that they do When they write it that way That's what he was doing here And there's a lot of nonsense It's like can you get to the point? What are you trying to say here? I can tell

[00:20:29] The reason I know for a fact That he used AI for the vast majority of it Because he didn't seem to understand The components of a well written story Speaking as an author myself In order to do a well written story It depends on the nature of the story So you're doing what you are presenting As your own experience Normally what you do Is you start with a thesis Everybody goes back to your college Okay? You start with a thesis What is the thesis? He doesn't really have a thesis here

[00:20:58] He's using his cover art To create a narrative But then the book Doesn't even talk about the cover art Holly at all It just kind of veers off In a completely different direction There's not really a thesis here Okay? What is your thesis? A thesis might be And you need to be specific When you do this He was very masterful In obfuscating Look it up People's names So that he was not making A direct accusation But everybody knows If you look at the name Who they're Who he's talking about So you might as well

[00:21:28] Just spell out the name He didn't do that Because he didn't want to get sued That's really what it is Because some of the names in here Are very lawsuit happy people So I knew for a fact Why he did that He's trying to put something out there As a narrative The obfuscation of names Doesn't protect you From that suit So why even put names at all Is number one And then two Thesis His thesis is lacking If you go off his cover He's talking about The biggest fraud in crypto history And facts, chats, and documents Of my story

[00:21:57] That's not a thesis That's trigger words That's trigger words And it's like Oh but it's my words? No, no You need a thesis A strong thesis As an example And I'm not targeting his book I'm saying in general If I were going to write Some sort of story About my Let's take my personal experience Okay? I bought a minor If you listen to that episode I said I don't think I'm going to get the shit And I don't care Because it's throw away money But if I do I'll test it

[00:22:27] I still don't expect To get a minor Turns out that the site The form Where you put your mailing address It doesn't work anymore Like it All the mailing information Is gone If you submit it again It'll take it But it doesn't show up It just doesn't show up So either it's still stored And they're not showing it Or something weird Point is Okay, if the mailing address Isn't there I damn sure they're not getting it So if I were writing up Some sort of story About personal experience I would say My thesis statement My summary thesis statement Which ironically

[00:22:57] I've said on the show Before You're dealing with people That don't know what the fuck they're doing That would be my I wouldn't put that in writing But you get what I'm saying That would be my high level thesis You're dealing with people On multiple sides That don't know what they're doing Didn't know what they were doing Don't know what they're doing Broad span That is my summary Then I'm gonna go down Okay Why do I feel that way? Then that's your story And I'm gonna chunk it out I'm gonna start with each component And I'm gonna work backwards So I'm gonna start With Turner I'm not gonna bore you here With all that

[00:23:26] I've already done it In episodes But the point is I would start with Turner I actually saw the old video That he used to do Where he had Steven Clark And he had Dr. Collage And Marcus the trainer dude He had What's the other guy's name? Josh Stack That was when he first had hired them And he was doing like A PowerPoint slide I have that video I tracked it down And you can tell Just looking at that video These are people that had no idea What they were getting into They just said

[00:23:55] There's a great opportunity here To work with some great tech And you're gonna make some money Let's come on Do it None of them did any due diligence Right? So since we If we accept that And if you remember What I was talking about In terms of how Turner Was covering it Yeah, none of them knew What they were doing They were just getting into a job That was gonna pay them some money And let them play around with toys Fast forward Close to two years And what did I say? I said kids in a candy store Playing with toys Everything was obvious From day one That we're dealing with From the use of AI

[00:24:26] Speaking of I actually tracked down The video I keep referencing Where the guy was standing On the moon kicking his leg I put that on CoinMarketCap Follow my profile On CoinMarketCap's community And you'll see I have it pinned at the top That's the video That I was talking about Where people actually bought That was 2024 People bought in Because what happened I had the full video I can't CoinMarketCap has a limit What happened Is at the time People were He was talking about The miners And then People criticized

[00:24:55] That this is AI This ain't real Well obviously it's AI You can look He's standing on the fucking moon But then They did a follow up video They posted it on X And he says But I wanna talk about this thing Where people think I'm AI Just so you know that I'm real And then he zooms out And he just kicks his leg out And smiles People bought in off that Like this is how bad The project is And why I keep saying It's just kids playing with toys But also Brilliant marketing Because if you bought in Because of that nonsense If you bought in

[00:25:25] Because of somebody On the moon You know it's fake But also That they kicked their leg out To prove that they're real And you bought in off that Or you bought in Off these people Doing a presentation Where they had no clue Of what they were getting into Whatsoever And then some said I saw this countless places Well if we had known it was We wouldn't have done that Well what did it matter Who cares It could have been Brian Saylor Who like it didn't matter Who it was It doesn't matter

[00:25:54] The fact that it's garbage It's garbage Right? It was garbage back then We know there's a chain What can you do with it? Nothing Who's really building on it? Nothing What are these changes doing right now? Nothing What did it get you? Nothing You went off claims That's been my message From jump It's like there's nothing here I'll do the minor Because if there is something I want to test it That's it But it's throw away money I don't expect to get the damn thing We know there are minors But I didn't expect to get one Because of what's going on

[00:26:23] With the Borussia Dortmund in Milan So I understood Start to finish This was all jacked up From jump So now I just told you In more concise form I started with a statement None of these people Know what the fuck they're doing And then I break down Here's all the pieces That validate what I'm saying I parsed this document For Renee Shadlik And if Renee Shadlik And I again I apologize if pronunciation is wrong But if Renee Shadlik Ever hears this I'm not criticizing you specifically

[00:26:53] I actually think You know Obviously use AI To help with some of this I actually think You're coming from a place of good I actually think You're trying to simply share a story My criticism was you putting it as an NFT I suspect the reason that you put it as an NFT Was to try to recruit what you lost On the project That's a theory I don't know for sure You said you were running a node Why would you do that When you know you weren't going to get any money Out the stuff Is question number two I've got And I'm going to just share What the summary of all this is

[00:27:22] And my critique of what I'm reading The bottom line of this is He provides very factual data Useful data And a timeline That I think is valuable for people to understand And I'm going to summarize Without stealing his content Because if you do want to read it Do I encourage you to Just you know But What he says is that He bought it in 2023

[00:27:51] So that means he's got to be one of the OGs We're talking at a time Where it was nothing but marketing And I think I don't know this But I wonder if this is Either the same person Or somehow aligned with that Baptiste person from ages ago Where I covered their medium write up Where he was talking very similar To the way this guy's writing I wonder if they're somehow In allegiance or a line somehow I haven't seen that person since But I wonder if there's some sort of connection there I don't know

[00:28:21] But 2023 means that's got it That's got to be the infant I didn't even know about the damn thing in 2023 I certainly wouldn't pay attention to this kind of garbage But he says Mainnet launches in 2024 No it did not That's not true The mainnet did not launch until What 2020 Early 2020 Or late 2025 Early 2026 He's that's mainnet did not launch in 2024 What launched in 2024 Was awakening testnet

[00:28:51] And then primordial But the mainnet was after the fact They hadn't put out main at that time And the reason that they said at the time This is the whole situation of You know Turner Is allied with the consensus And all that that's around that chaos The mainnet wasn't active at that time It wasn't fully active No that's not true Because you couldn't do anything With what they had said was out and available There's a document Even on their github right now That talks about mainnet

[00:29:21] And the code and the nodes It was never updated to connect to mainnet If you couldn't connect to mainnet It wasn't live Let's just get that straight They talked about it It was never made live So his dates are already jacked up wrong And I think what's happening is that When he summarized his thoughts and fed it to AI He didn't scrub to understand That things were shifted off So my theory is He says 2023 I think it's 2024 Because that would make better sense to me

[00:29:50] In terms of when he actually bought in Then 2024 to 2025 2025 late-ish Is roughly when mainnet Truly became accessible and available To some degree Not full Then I'm shifting everything a year Is what I'm talking about For that early phase Because it was kind of a cloudy glassy deal Because there was nothing there So that's start number one Because he then talks about the shift from Turner to Keel And that of course was 2025

[00:30:19] Then he talks about the Duna quote Which is the Wyoming business And this Freeland Which I talked about There was allegedly some other group out there That was Discord or Tele-scammers Something Called Freeland And this I think I don't know for sure But this I think Is where one of the remnants of the Consensus One of the marks Had spun it up Got it set up And then they

[00:30:49] After what happened With visuals They somehow got Jeremy on board with this business That's where the whole mentions about a coup Came out at that point That he had partnered up with that mark And then he was going to do the coup And try to get Take control of the chain And all this That's that That's the Freeland Allegedly Now The whole collecting of evidence And all that That was you know One of the leaders of the consensus Actually the original guy

[00:31:18] The consensus that spearheaded all that stuff And that's the charge You know the Poor poorly thought out war And push forward and do all this other stuff That's the Duna side And then the Freeland Was the we're going to take over the chain And do a coup And do all this That's that That's the Freeland So then He's They're saying Well They found evidence Of a fork Now that implies That the That Jeremy

[00:31:47] Did not practically communicate What he was doing And that he wasn't telling people What he had done But if he was in the Freeland Certainly he would have been telling people That he was going to do it And maybe He didn't Then Inside this business This author And again his All his dates are a little bit shifted But It's closer to roughly But he's talking about Prior to the One of the That leader Getting locked up He's talking about

[00:32:17] How that leader Allegedly was Making claims That there were quote Moles And insiders Inside And that's why they were withholding information That's the claim that he's making And he's saying That these groups Were basically fighting each other I know that one of the other leaders Of the consensus Sent a message on Reddit And was saying Don't recommend I'm paraphrasing Do not recommend Allying with this new community Because it's Nick and Jeremy

[00:32:46] And that person Implied that those people Couldn't be trusted Now of course I would remind people That People back in 2025 You shouldn't be trusting Pathological liars In any case That meant Everybody in the block bank side Because all of them lied At different levels Even Jeremy Because Jeremy was part of Shop-In Jeremy was called out About Shop-In On one of the AMAs He laughed at the question Instead of addressing it directly He laughed at the question I'm saying

[00:33:16] And have said If you listen to mine Consistent I said You're dealing with liars On all sides You're just picking which liar You believe more Because they're all liars In what they're doing And so All of it Now you got splinters They started as splinter groups But now they're completely splintered Because they were attacking each other The coyotes Were attacking each other Allegedly this Freeland group Is attacking this Duna group And then this Duna group And the Freeland group And there's some other group And they're all Infighting

[00:33:45] All spurred by These claims This is the allegation being made These claims Made by that one leader The consensus That there was moles And there's insiders And so That's referred to Just to educate folks That's referred to As sowing distrust Look it up What's happening And I honestly think this happened That's why I'm covering it What's happened is You have this guy Who I think is a master

[00:34:14] I said back in 2025 You won't beat him You won't He's a master At sowing dissension Within your ranks And that's why I'm confident That's what he did I'm confident He planted People inside That's why I kept saying Insiders And kept warning people About insiders And I kept warning That he's You're not beating this dude He's good at this shit Because we saw it before But they're not paying attention

[00:34:44] Because they put too much money in And they're watching a guy Standing on the moon And they're not paying attention It didn't matter if it's Kijitos That's what I'm saying It didn't matter They didn't have anything There's nothing there There's lofty promises You wait Until they deliver No These are gamblers That rolled the dice Hoping they could become A millionaire Before it launched Instead of waiting For it to be something That's what happened They've not acknowledged Their part to play In their own harm That's why I knew They couldn't beat him

[00:35:12] Because he banked on that He told them to their face In the call It wasn't my marketing You wouldn't even be here He told you to your face That was the case And I knew He's smarter than these people I knew that This is basically summarizing What it said Which is no There's contention Where hate groups And accusations And the narratives Are all jacked up Yes That's 100% And They never got Any factual data Allegedly The Department of Justice Rejected the

[00:35:41] Thing they were trying to do Nothing worked out Allegedly They basically Went their own way And that's what Caused this whole Community side To just Basically do the Quote coup Because they couldn't Take legal actions Well think about it If you couldn't Take legal actions If the legal actions Didn't work Are you reflecting As to why they didn't work They didn't work Because of the people It had nothing to do With the data I said You can make a civil case now And I encourage people To do that They felt they got wrong But the war approach Was not going to work

[00:36:11] The so-called covert ops Wasn't going to work Because Chances are Yes You got moles And all that shit You can't Hide from that Because he's got money To burn To do that So he's affirming What is said to be the truth While also saying The admin keys Nobody has any answers On that I find that interesting Nobody knows What the money is We know that Nobody knows What people are really owed We know that too Because the value Was never The value Was never solid This is why The free market Had to happen

[00:36:40] Because it's the only way To do price discovery To really understand The true value Of a thing You can say Well I pre-saled X amount of money Into the project There's no guarantee Of return When it's a pre-sale It's just a pre-sale You put money in And you hope It turns into something He then makes a statement I saw in the document That was really good I felt I'm paraphrasing But he basically said Did I feel Wronged or ripped off Versus This person committed fraud One of them Is my feeling The other requires proof He's absolutely correct In that statement

[00:37:10] And that's what I've been reinforcing To people Okay That's why the civil case Works Because in the civil case You don't necessarily Have the same burden Of proof You just have to Simply document Here's what I gave Here's what I expected To return On what I gave It didn't happen Especially if it's a minor That's retail But when you start Trying to talk about Fraud and Rico And all this shit Your burden Of proof Gets substantial And that's why They said They want more And more people Thinking that volume Was going to do it And they got

[00:37:40] Allegedly told By lawyers I'd rather take These individual Because you're Going to have A better chance Because individual Cases There's a lower Burden of proof Like it's the same Thing with OJ Simpson It's the same Fucking thing They threw the book At OJ Simpson When they had A lock case If they had Just refined it Down to what They knew They could prove Which is That man was At the scene They could prove That he was At the scene He tampered With evidence They could prove That they couldn't

[00:38:09] Prove he killed Them They couldn't Prove it They didn't Have evidence All they could Prove is He was at The scene That negates The whole shit About the Evidence On the Down the sidewalk And in the bushes It didn't matter The shoes are there They proved It was his shoes So if you say You're at the scene You tampered With the evidence You did that Let's prove that Just to get the guy Locked up He'd have been Locked up They didn't They went They threw the Book at stuff They knew They couldn't Prove That's what Happened here They're trying To go after Stuff

[00:38:39] Guys You can't Prove What you're Saying I know It sounds Good But it's Not gonna You're not Gonna be Able to See We see The net Effect And he's Affirming Why that Was Because of The infighting And because Some of the Claims You can't Substantiate Two And three Prove You can't Provide Prove It's just A feeling That's Exactly Correct That's The charge I'm Talking about I'm glad That he Affirmed that Now Here's what I thought Was interesting Though

[00:39:10] And he's Not making An accusation Or allegation But he Spent an Inordinate Look it up Amount of Time Talking about Things that One of those Leaders The main Leader Guy Who got Locked up Later He spent An inordinate Amount of Time Talking about What that Person was Saying and Doing A lot To the Point Just Stopping Just short Of making The accusations But he's Essentially saying He's essentially Saying from My read No pun Intended

[00:39:40] That this Is ultimately The reason That everything Went south This person Right here This over Here That's why We failed If that Person Had not been Doing what They were doing And saying What they were Saying and They had Focused Everything The right Way We might Have been Able To do Something But they Didn't And because They didn't It compromised What we Could have Done That's That's how I take That away Which I Thought was Fascinating So I Asked AI To kind of Dig a little Bit deeper And ultimately

[00:40:11] It's not That Renee Feels negatively About Reed As a person I don't Think It really Goes around Here's the Thing If you If you're Going to Do that Understand what It takes To do What you're Trying to Do Which is Hard Evidence You got To have Data You got To have Evidence You got To build The case Strong He's Correct In this One But were You ever Going to be Able to Get to That level Of

[00:40:41] A case When you Talk Rico Right I mean That's like One of the Highest levels Of criminal Penalty Were you ever Going to be Able to Substantiate That in Just a Basic Pre-sale With Individuals That don't Know what The hell They're Doing I never Saw you Could Personally I thought You were Going to Fail Right on The face So Let's Analyze Why people Might have Thought that They could Pull it Off Ego It's all About ego It's If we Have enough People

[00:41:10] Yelling And squawking And screaming We can Make it Happen I remind People about Chris Delgado And Coins Coffeezilla And he Could not Pull it Off Chris Delgado Turned Himself In Sometimes It's that Level You don't Know what's Going on At the Upper Level Either You don't Know what Influence Might be Happening Up There That's Stymieing Look it Up Your progress Towards what You're trying To do Because of These unknowns Just having A number Of people Is not Going to Be Enough You Got to Have Irrefutable And

[00:41:39] This person On the Other side Is good At covering Tracks If he Wasn't Certainly He'd Have been In prison By now Right But he's Not The reason He's not Is because Nothing that He's done Thus far Runs afoul Of the Criminal Side of Things Only the Civil side Of things The civil Side of Things In my Mind Is a Lock Shut Case But That's Usually On the Individual It's The mass Which I Refer to As critical Mass

[00:42:09] When you Try to Approach it As critical Mass For this You're Not going To work You've Got to Understand This is Singular You can Do it You should If you Feel like You were Wrong Go as An individual And he Kind of Supports That I like That He Talks About how He calls Direct You know He's saying This is A scam The evidence Is Overwhelming I remember That Where That Leader Was saying The evidence Is overwhelming The evidence You know It's It's A lock Open Shut Case I remember All these These Fiery Terms That Didn't Mean Anything So I'm

[00:42:39] Like No It's Not No No I Don't See That At All There Was No Case Number Is What I Remember That I Remember Hearing That Yeah No Court Would Accept It That's The DOJ Business The The question That came up Around the Duna Was whether

[00:43:09] Or not This is a Legal entity Could participate In such a Case That's an Interesting Observation I would Assume The answer Is yes As a Formed LLC But The question Is whether Or not For the Purposes Of a RICO Whether It Could And That's Interesting To me Because What Authority Would It Have To Try To File Such A Case That's Interesting That's A lot Of And Understand There's A lot Of Money That Goes Into Everything I'm Describing

[00:43:38] And Then Questions Came Up To With Around Where The Money Went How Was The Money Used What's The Audit Trail A lot Of These Fascinating Questions Came That This Rene Is Kind Of Summarizing I Thought That Was Good But He He Didn't Directly Say This But It's Something I've Said In The Past A Lot Of The Tactics Used By The Block Dag Team Are The Very Same Tactics Used By This Leader

[00:44:07] And That Is Correct You're Using Targeted Charged Words You're Doing Call To Action Fallacies You're Doing A Thing You're These Charge Words That Lend Confidence To Something You Can't Prove You're Rallying The Troops How Is That Any Different Than The Marketing Of The Block Deck Team It's Not Really There's A Straight Line Parallel Was That

[00:44:37] Strategic Was That Intentional That We'll Use Their Own Tactics Against Them And It Backfired I Don't Know I'm Saying That That Line Was Drawn In Renee's Document And I Thought That Was Fascinating Because It's Something I Observed As Well You're Doing The Same Thing That He's Doing You're Just Doing It In A Way That Comes Across As A Vigilante Versus Him Doing It In A Way That Comes Across Like Some Sort Financial Wizard When We Know Neither Is The Case That Was Very Good I Like That

[00:45:07] The Another Fascinating Point Again This Is Around I Kept Saying His Focus Was Really Any You Know His Wording Was Brilliant And Hiding It But He Was Really Focusing On Everybody Ag Is That Block Dag To Date Is Essentially

[00:45:37] Centralized And Has Been For A Long Time But Renee Is Essentially Saying Well How Is That Any Different Than Duna Because Duna Was Created By One Person One Person Built The Dashboard One Person Filled The Requests One Person Worked With Lawyers Now We Essentially Depend On You In Order To Make The Duna Thing Work Because It's Centralized How Is It Any Different Than What's Going On Over There Which Is You Know If Something Happened To You Which Ironically Something Did Happen To Him

[00:46:07] Then What About All Our Information What About Our Funds Who Else Would Have Access Think About This If If Duna Collected Money Who Owns The Keys To Those Funds Are There Multiple People That Do I'm Assuming But I Don't Know Because I'm Not In It Didn't Follow It But These Are Valid Questions That Should Be Asked Who Who Else Would Own The Keys Other Than One Person The Other Thing Tenfold Or I Might Be Is It Possible That Somebody From Dime

[00:46:37] Him Out To Get Him Locked Up Because They Knew It Would Cut Their Balls Off Do You See Why I'm So Fascinated By All The Stuff The Stuff I Predicted Was Going To Be A Problem A I'm Like I Don't This Guy No And Then The People That Allied With Him I'm Like You Guys Don't Understand This Is And Now Here We Are And Everything Is Crashed To Burn And Now You Got This Desperation Tactic From The So-called Freeland

[00:47:07] That Creates This Community And Then You Got Welsh Dag That A Single Chain And The One Person Who Tried To Do That Ended Up Doing The Same Centralized Approach That Always Was Done And Then Spurred These Dumb And Dumbers

[00:47:36] To Create What Is Essentially A Decentralized Worthless Walled Garden You Have To Appreciate The Irony Of What You See It's Not Even My Claim It's What You See There Is Decentralized But It's A Walled Garden With No Value It Has No Value Because The Chain Is Still Singular And It's Still Held Hostage By This Other Centralized Over Here Where For Whatever Reason The Exchanges Simply Will Not Shift Gears

[00:48:06] And I The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The

[00:48:46] I can't call that a scam. I can't. You're dealing with people that are killing their own shit on multiple sites. The Duna side killed their own shit for the reasons stated in this document. I agree. The community side is killing their own shit, not because of anything they're actively doing, but because it's led by a dumb and dumber who were complicit with the other side to begin with.

[00:49:12] And now they're expected to be believed on this side over here when they are the only ones with minors and they're stacking large bags. You have to appreciate from what, from my lens, why I'm saying that I'm saying because all these people are, they're the ones killing things because they're just doing stuff off the side, creating their own little islands. They're creating their own little islands off the side. Meanwhile, this guy over here doesn't know what the fuck he's doing either. Nobody knows what they're doing.

[00:49:42] It's incompetence on multiple levels is what I saw. Now the, he goes down some of the other asks. He's talking about the, apparently there was something where, and I don't know if this was coming from an attorney or I don't know the Genesis. If you have information, crypto talk that a family has contact for him. But the allegation made is that people in this Duna were requested to write like reference letters for that, that leader. But why?

[00:50:11] What's it for? Somebody in this question, what, what are we doing? Why are we doing this? And that it's, we're talking about a personal, an individual. We're vouching for the individual. That's not transparency of the structure. So I'm assuming, and this is an assumption. That's why I'd like, if you have insight, crypto talk that a family contact for, if you'd like to do it anonymous or hit comments, if you don't care.

[00:50:39] I'm assuming there were questions asked, and this was mentioned later. There were questions asked about custody. Who has custody of the funds? What happens if something happens to you? Is there multiple people involved? Why is it a single decision? I'm assuming somebody was challenging these things. I'm assuming that those questions spawned that leader to then make claims of mole and insider.

[00:51:01] And then I'm assuming somebody or someone talked about these reference letters to try to vouch for that person as if that's makes it all fine when it never would like that. Just because you write a reference about a person being a good person doesn't mean that they're ethical. And it did not, it didn't address what was stated as the claim or the other concern, which is we're talking about what happens if something happens to that person. We're talking about what happened, what happens if they get hit by a train? What happens if they drown, plane crash?

[00:51:30] What is the plan for making sure it's not this central one person calls the shots situation? Because that's exactly our beef about Black Bag, and you're doing it over here. That's what we're trying to address. And it seemed like the responses were positioned as an attack. That we're attacking you because you're questioning my authority. Just like Brian Saylor, ironically.

[00:51:56] Something about there was an internal thing, and a quote was given, an actual quote. And if anybody saw this, Chris thought that of him, hit the contact form or comments below. But allegedly this leader said the words, quote, just hope it's not you. They said that some people were money laundering. How can that happen if it's Duna and the assets were in custody, presumably of the one person? How can you have money laundering? I'm curious about the claims. These are claims in the document.

[00:52:25] You can read it yourself. I find that interesting. But it says that this person was just inherently distrustful of the members of the Duna that he himself brought together. And this, Rene, the writer, the way it's being described is very close to cults.

[00:52:49] Ironically, it talks about how the, at first, this person was all about let's get everything. Let's get all the information. Get your wallets. Get all the payment. Let's collect it all. Let's get everything together. Transparency because BlockDag's not doing it. Like there was this pitch of how we're going to do stuff, which is we're going to be transparent. We're going to be open. And then at some point it changed to what's in the chat stays in the chat.

[00:53:17] These are quotes in the book that when people start asking questions and challenging how funds are used and challenging the legal structure and challenging the viability and asking valid questions, that all of a sudden this person started to become defensive and started to push back. Now, I would, I don't disagree, but I'm going to have to take a victory lap because this is exactly what I warned people about in late 2025.

[00:53:44] Because the same thing happened just prior to them allying with Turner. I said that if you have this information that you're aware of, why don't you tell the community this? Why don't you come on? And one of them actually wanted to come talk and talk to me, right? And I said, sure, as long as it's on the show. So it's public. So everybody hears it. And that's when they started attacking because allegedly it's covert ops. They don't want to put, they don't want to show their hand.

[00:54:13] They don't want to put stuff out there. When what I said is if you've got information that puts these people under strong scrutiny, talking BlockDag, why don't you want to put it public? What do you have to hide? Because I said they're inside. They're inside because they're hiding information from you and it turned out what they were hiding all the time is knowledge months before the fact that was involved.

[00:54:39] They knew that before everybody else did or they confirmed it because inside people had told them this. And I said, why aren't you sharing this public? That's all I said. You should be sharing that with the community publicly. What do you have to hide? That's where the whole covert ops cling came in, that they have to hide their, hold their hand at this. So this mantra then went to now that I got the Duda and I'm on, I'm in control of this thing. We're going to be transparent.

[00:55:05] And then when that person gets called out, all of a sudden he's calling people moles and he's calling people insiders. And wow. Then at some point it's saying that, and I, I love to have insight because I'm going off what I read. So consider this my impassion plea for anybody who has insight. I didn't follow this shit.

[00:55:34] You have insight. Crypto Talk that I've had with the contact form. I'm going off what I read. I'm trying to wrap my head around what the hell is going on here. The, the founding of all this, the creation of all this, everything that's being set up in this, everything that was created, everything that was stated, everything that was quote form.

[00:55:59] Renee is making the implication that there was uncertainty about the leadership structure of the Duna that led itself to the failure to do anything about block dag. But he also is making the implication that that person was not truly the leader and that they didn't truly know who was, and that they didn't truly know who had access to what funds and what controls.

[00:56:24] And if it was that person in control, that they didn't have assurance that if something were to happen to that person, which did, what would be the future of the Duna, which are valid questions from an ascension point of view. But he also essentially is saying, you started this under the guise of, we're going to be transparent. We're going to do it right.

[00:56:47] We're not going to be like them, but then you're using these things where I can't, that covert ops moles and leaks and things as justification for why you're not, but you're not really addressing our concern either. He's stopping outright. He's not saying he's not accusing, but he's essentially doing, he's essentially saying this person is the reason everything went South.

[00:57:11] And it's because that person's doing the same thing that block dag did for the same reasons, which is there's some, there's some sort of motivation here that they're trying to do. And they like this, you know, position that they're in and they think that it's the right way to do it. Folks, listeners, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children over the ages of 18. If we accept this and I do recommend you read the book because I think it's just, it's a dry read and he has a lot of padding.

[00:57:41] That's my feedback for you, Mr. Renee, but I do recommend you read the book. I'm not going to take his content. That's not my goal, but I do recommend you read the book because if you read the book at no point that I saw from what I could parse, do I see that he called anybody a scammer? At no point do I see that he felt that he was just blatantly ripped off from the beginning.

[00:58:07] My read of his is that things were fine until they weren't, which is what I said that this person is at least partly to blame for a lot of the chaos, which I said months ago. That a lot of their approach was flawed in the face, which I said that they just didn't have a plan and they're just scattered, which I've said.

[00:58:31] And he didn't speak a lot about the block bag deal at all, other than let's get the evidence that would help us prove it. But he never acknowledged. Maybe that's because the evidence doesn't exist. It's not really evidence. It's a feeling. It's a gut instinct. I said to the other person, money movement doesn't prove anything. You got to prove what that to fiat. What was it specifically and trace it in? And you'd have to start at the bank.

[00:58:57] You'd have to start at the bank and say there was a recent deposit of X. That deposit came from exchange Y. Exchange Y did a transaction of Tron to that and then cash to USDT. That Tron came from this wallet, which sent from that. You'd have to start from the bank side. Why do you think that the banks are not in a place where it's easy to do that traces? Even Zach XPT couldn't do it. And he got some stuff wrong. This is why. And I'm wrapping up. This is why I've been adamant from day one.

[00:59:27] My feeling. I don't see. I even now. Outright blatant malicious scam. I see incompetence. I see screw ups at countless levels. I see screw ups on. He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Clearly. He's throwing shit against the wall, hoping it sticks. They clearly have no technical competence whatsoever. They don't have technical skill to do any of this stuff at all. I see. I see liars on all sides.

[00:59:55] With Turner, he was lying. He was complicit with lies. At no point, even in his new videos, has he openly said, I lied to you at points and I apologize that I was lying to you. But I lied to you. He lied when he told you he didn't know who hired him. He lied about the Borussia Dortmund. He lied about the Inter Milan. He lied about the Alex Pereira. He lied about the exchange listings. He lied about the X1 minor. There's been so many things. He lied.

[01:00:22] And he's just putting out content saying, well, Blockdack's the bad guy now. That's all he's doing. And throwing Vander idiot under the bus. That's all he's doing. He's just covering his own ass while not acknowledging that he's a liar too. Dumb and dumber over here. Create this whole alleged coup and create a fork and then deny it's a ledger fork.

[01:00:44] And then later admit it when they get called out for the BS of worthless coins that they're stacking, hoping that they can get on some exchanges and get them to get on board so they can dump off. Because why else would you have 10 people? And that's all they have. There's 10 that are running significant ASICs. You can see it in the stats on the community site. They got 10 people that hold on mining. Then Jeremy says, and this was his words. Go listen to the AMA. People misheard him.

[01:01:13] He said they blocked the funds wallets. Funds wallets. To me, I attribute that to mean the actual money. I don't know because I'm not in the back end. But then the timing of that correlates to when he yanks the buyback, puts it as new BDAG. Then all of a sudden there's a refund quote where it's put back into the buyback for November 1st. Think about this for a second. I literally want you to think. Okay. Think of what you have. Liars on all sides.

[01:01:42] That's what you have. But also watch what's happening on the side. Look what's happening. He did. What? Why? Think of why. Why would you take it out and do a new BDAG, which we don't even really know what the fuck that means. Why would you do that right when they claim that funds are frozen? Then all of a sudden they put it back to a buyback and target November 1st.

[01:02:09] Remember, I gave the article that said that he won his appeals case for the freezing of some tether wallets. That's also within this timing. Nothing I see on that BDAG scan side screams scam. It screams incompetence. It screams blatant incompetence. If I were to point out any side that feels scammy, whether they're intending to do that or not, it's the community side. Only because of the way they did what they did.

[01:02:39] They did it the aggressive way because they couldn't get on board. He was just being recalcitrant. Look it up. I understand. He was resistant. He didn't want to play ball. He doesn't want it to be decentralized. I get it. I only said community side should have created their own fucking chain. Don't hook into his marketing. Don't try to steal his holders that he attracted. Create your own shit. Create your own. Get on exchanges on your own. That would have been more successful.

[01:03:08] It would have helped create the narrative. We can create our own chain that is fully successful instead of hooking into those. They're trying to leverage those holders. They're trying to leverage those funds. I get it. I simply don't agree. It's they should have created their own fucking chain. And I think they would have avoided a lot of the contention. Then you get this whole business of the Duna and everything.

[01:03:32] The Freeland business and all these other fragmented splinter groups that can't get on the same page because none of them understood the problem. None of them understood the real marching orders that needed to happen because none of them, as I said for countless months, none of them understand how to go to war. None of them did. You go to war smart. You don't go to war aggressive. The aggression is the problem. And that aggression is going to be the death of all of them. And I don't mean physically.

[01:03:58] I mean, figuratively, it's going to be the death of all of them because none of them understood what they got wrong from jump. What they got wrong from jump is, first of all, a lying with the wrong people. They allied with Turner, who, by his own admission, was not competent enough to do this. They're now a lying with Vander idiot who's lied to them directly. They're a lying with Jeremy who laughed in their face when he asked about when asked about the shopping business.

[01:04:23] No matter who they ally with, they're lied to and they believe pathological liars every single time. This is why certain liars are really good and why they keep lying because they understand that they'll have people following them out of desperation. This has a term. It's called Stockholm syndrome. I had the same thing with Seifu. If anybody was in Seifu, you can go back to my coverage of that one and the Stockholm syndrome coverage because that's what you got now. You've got people suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

[01:04:53] I would argue Mr. Rene as well is suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Might be Ms. Rene. I apologize. But it's still, this is Stockholm syndrome all the way around. There are people who are harmed. They're frustrated, sad, pissed, angry, put more than they can afford to lose because of a guy standing on the moon kicking. And now they're trying to hook into hope instead of what I said.

[01:05:15] If you feel you were wrong, and this is my message in close, if you feel you were wrong, you walk your ass down to your court and you file a civil suit and bring all your data. You might be able to make some traction. You do it. Stop waiting for vigilantes to save you. You don't need a Captain Save-O. You go to the court and do it yourself as a civil suit and try to get your money back, especially if you bought a minor. I'm telling you to do that.

[01:05:43] Stop relying on somebody to help you. Stop relying on somebody to save you. You keep following these splinter people because they're giving you BS nonsense promises of something they can't promise. They can't guarantee you anything. The one constant that everybody seems to be on the same page about is that a civil case is a pretty good bet, but that means you need to do it yourself.

[01:06:09] And you should ask yourself why you're hesitating to do that. What's stopping you from going down and filing your own civil suit? If you're going to tell me that you don't know how, I would ask you to contact ChatGPT and let it tell you.